I think the farming side is really exciting. We have an opportunity to pay people not to destroy nature, but to restore it and give payments for public goods. The one thing already that has gone slightly wrong is trade deals because it makes no sense to incentivise our farmers to farm differently. And you're just moving the problems to a country where you can't see them. In the Australian trade deal, probably the worst trade deal any country has ever done. According to the Australian press, who were amazed by how bad it was, in that trade did not protect our farmers. But if we do similar trade deals with America and Brazil and so forth, we could hobble at our own attempt

Get the Snipd
podcast app

Unlock the knowledge in podcasts with the podcast player of the future.
App store bannerPlay store banner

AI-powered
podcast player

Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features

Discover
highlights

Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode

Save any
moment

Hear something you like? Tap your headphones to save it with AI-generated key takeaways

Share
& Export

Send highlights to Twitter, WhatsApp or export them to Notion, Readwise & more

AI-powered
podcast player

Listen to all your favourite podcasts with AI-powered features

Discover
highlights

Listen to the best highlights from the podcasts you love and dive into the full episode