Our culture pulls us into the technological atonement totally. When my experience is kind of in excess of their vision of me as a technological tool, that's when i start to suffer iconsere. And it also is implicated in our relationship to the natural world, rights. So much of ourwillingness to debase and destroy the natural world is because we see it from this technological perspective. We don't see it as, like this tree that i'm looking at, as a kind of poetic expression.

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