i think it's so importanto to put that out there, as you know. Now, that's not to say that your goal is a christianist always. It's right, right? Ahem, we've been involved in religious liberty battles where we fervently hoped and prayed we'd win. But at that moment, what a contrast, i think, between those two competing strands of what it meant to be a christian and public life. The other one is hollowing out of left, left wing institutions.

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