"Spinning other people is just very important to stay rested in a kind of humility," she says. "You don't want it to be like a tit for tat kind of thing where you hang on to all of your grievances until the other person comes to you with the thing that they need" She adds, "Sometimes we can almost model the way that we want people to react to our needs by reacting to their needs."

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