If we could have people making a living by doing things that are healthy for the ecology, isn't that a much better use of a Keynesian stimulus than just supporting people to buy flat screen TVs and take junked trips or whatever it is? That's the cultural shift that I think could happen. It seems to me that what you're talking about is also that it's more experiential or philosophical or even a religious sensibility. In other words, what's life for?

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