I think all of us are kind of arm chair scientists to some degree I mean it's part of our job as humans right like we take the information available to us in the world and use it to figure out how to be healthy and happy and thrive. We're all dealing with this sort of limitation of our own experience the historical moment we're born into what what knowledge and resources are available to us but we're all sort of scientific experiments of one to some degree, he says. It seems to me that you to some degree have been on this personal journey of trying to figuring out how to optimize your own health and how to flourish as a human. You've approached it with an unusual degree

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