Conjuring Magic

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A really good conjurer can almost force you to think it supernatural. But they're honest enough to admit that i's not yet. Daron brown is especially good at this, and his shows are so elaborate you just cannot figure out where the trick is. He twisted a spoon in a way with his mind that it's impossible he could not have twisted it physically. You take a spoon, and then you sort of twist it this way rather than that way. It's kind of hard to show. But anyway, it's super simpleand so as he's telling me the story, i take the spoon next me, and i pull it beneath the table, and i do the little move

In episode 205, Michael Shermer speaks with Richard Dawkins, the author of The Selfish Gene, voted The Royal Society’s Most Inspiring Science Book of All Time, and also the bestsellers The Blind Watchmaker, Climbing Mount Improbable, The Ancestor’s Tale, The God Delusion, and two volumes of autobiography, An Appetite for Wonder and Brief Candle in the Dark. He is a Fellow of New College, Oxford and both the Royal Society and the Royal Society of Literature. In 2013, Dawkins was voted the world’s top thinker in Prospect magazine’s poll of 10,000 readers from over 100 countries.

This episode is heavily edited because Dawkins was having trouble with his voice, and Shermer tried to speak a little more to give Dawkins a chance to let his voice rest.