"I don't believe that Vladimir Putin is sitting in the Kremlin now going, this has gone the way I wanted," he says. "In my opinion, it would never have happened if we hadn't spent the last six years obsessing about stuff that didn't really matter." Is it possible that this is the spark the West needed to sort of wake up and go, maybe we shouldn't make ourselves energy dependent on people who are at least adversaries? Do you think that's possible? Possible, but if you kind of roll the film backwards, when the war broke out, Putin's assessment of the West was actually correct?"

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