The Dummest Cool in History

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Donna Brazile: The fact that trump considered, and at least allegedly tried physically to join the mob on january sixth was shocking. She says it would be as if one of template for this would be the beerha puch of hitler. "Coups do not generally happen by the person who can make those orders"

Graeme Wood is a staff writer for The Atlantic and a lecturer in political science at Yale University. He is the author of The Way of the Strangers: Encounters with the Islamic State.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Graeme Wood discuss why the January 6th insurrection does not resemble other coups; his experience interviewing Mohammed bin Salman and being Richard Spencer's middle school lab partner; and the need for general interest journalists whose curiosity is not constrained by their identity.

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