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Sam Khan: It's important to culturally punish Russia for the Ukraine war, but somehow that needs to be done without a corresponding idea that all Russians are irredeemable. Michael Walzer is one of the most distinguished political philosophers of the 20th century. We discussed his ideas of spheres of justice and how they can explain what is wrong with a world in which money is dominant.

Michael Walzer is an eminent political philosopher and the author of numerous books, including Just and Unjust Wars and Spheres of Justice. He is professor emeritus at the Institute of Advanced Study, has taught at Harvard University, and is editor emeritus of the magazine Dissent.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Michael Walzer discuss why, though he is a democratic socialist, he believes that there are certain acceptable forms of inequality; what forms of injustice true egalitarians should focus on fighting; and the threats to liberalism from the post-liberal right and the illiberal left.

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