I want to ask you about how alienation fits into all this, ecause it seems like it's a key to getting beyond narrowly economistic analyses and lead us to an analysis that can help us understand things like the petegate conspiracy theory. What is alienation? Does it take place in multiple ways and on multiple levels? Say, at both the point of production, and also in a larger systemic manner. And what is it that we're alienated from, or or made alien right? Look, this is sort of complicated philosophical question as well as political and interpretive question.