In the nineties a conversation on the fot like i could understand if it was to day and it's like hey, as just zoom and some one hit the record button. But like, what? Why would this conversation be taped? Someone who was on the call secretly recorded those conversations. It's really remarkable, just hearing them, kind of that they consider, for example, a million dollar victims fund nenter columbine,. And then they kind of land on this idea, which they've basically held ever since.