The Importance of Trying to Change Things

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"I couldn't articulate couldn't say the words like what if we left and I just it just felt like it would be too real to say that," she said. "There was no way for me to say those things or to live out you know I couldn't straddle this line between like only holding the signs that I believe all of this other stuff that I think is really wrong" She added: "It takes a lot for that to turn around."

In this episode we sit down with Megan Phelps-Roper, the author of Unfollow, a memoir of her time in Westboro Baptist Church, and an exploration what it took to convince her to leave. I interviewed Megan for my upcoming book, How Minds Change, and in this interview you will learn all about assimilation and accommodation, cult deprogrammers, and the steps Megan says one must take if they want to change someone's mind.

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