
From the Archives - Immoral Mazes
Don't Worry About the Vase Podcast
The Opt‑Out Clause and Riding It Out
Zvi discusses how some managers opt out to preserve outside life while keeping the system running.
A “From the Archives” episode, the full Immoral Mazes sequence.
* 00:00:00 - Introduction
* 00:07:07 - Moloch Hasn’t Won, By Zvi Mowshowitz, December 28th, 2019
* 00:07:23 - Meditations on Moloch
* 00:12:50 - That’s Not How This Works, That’s Not How Any of This Works
* 00:15:15 - Moloch’s Army: An As-Yet Unjustified But Important Note
* 00:16:53 - Meditations on Elua
* 00:21:41 - Perfect Competition, By Zvi Mowshowitz, December 29th, 2019
* 00:21:51 - Perfect Competition
* 00:24:03 - Remind Me: What Exactly is Perfect Competition?
* 00:25:52 - Super-Perfect Competition
* 00:29:39 - Universal Perfect Competition
* 00:34:38 - Shocks are Inevitable
* 00:37:24 - Imperfect Competition, By Zvi Mowshowitz, December 30th, 2019
* 00:38:22 - 1. The Local Farmer’s Market
* 00:44:51 - 2. Supermarkets
* 00:48:57 - 3. Restaurants (in brief)
* 00:50:25 - 4. Buying a Car
* 00:56:55 - Does Big Business Hate Your Family?, By Zvi Mowshowitz, December 31st, 2019
* 00:57:53 - Reminder: Sufficiently Powerful Optimization Of Any Known Target Destroys All Value
* 00:58:41 - Does Big Business Hate Your Family?
* 01:03:30 - Do The Managers of Big Businesses Hate Your Family?
* 01:05:05 - Lacking all Preferences
* 01:07:04 - What is Life in an Immoral Maze?, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 5th, 2020
* 01:08:41 - The Lifestyle of a Middle Manager
* 01:16:31 - Stripping Away the Protections, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 8th, 2020
* 01:29:38 - The Opt-Out Clause
* 01:31:40 - Is This Missing Something?
* 01:32:31 - Mazes Everywhere
* 01:34:01 - The Next Questions
* 01:34:52 - What is Success in an Immoral Maze?, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 10th, 2020
* 01:39:24 - How to Identify an Immoral Maze, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 12th, 2020
* 01:41:16 - 1. How many levels of hierarchy exist?
* 01:44:05 - 2. Do people have skin in the game?
* 01:45:28 - 3. Do people have soul in the game?
* 01:46:12 - 4. How do people describe their job when you ask?
* 01:46:48 - 5. Is there diversity of skill levels? Is excellence possible and rewarded?
* 01:47:25 - 6. Is there slack?
* 01:47:45 - 7. Pay Attention
* 01:48:05 - Other Notes
* 01:48:55 - How Escape From Immoral Mazes, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 16th, 2020
* 01:49:53 - To reiterate the main personal-level takeaway
* 01:50:14 - Problem statement
* 01:51:06 - How do we avoid immoral mazes?
* 01:52:24 - What do you do if you find yourself inside a maze?
* 01:52:51 - How do we justify our choice to others?
* 01:54:42 - How do you go about telling your new story? (Justification continued)
* 01:58:37 - What if my family or culture won’t accept my justifications?
* 02:02:21 - What if you’ve already self-modified too much?
* 02:04:27 - What if mazes are where our human and - or social capital pays off?
* 02:11:41 - If mazes are where my social and - or human capital pays off, what should I do?
* 02:13:39 - Become a Loser
* 02:15:12 - Take Risks
* 02:17:09 - Can You Change Things From the Top?
* 02:18:23 - What about if you are doing object-level work without anyone who reports to you, but you have a maze above you?
* 02:22:11 - Do I have a moral obligation to work in mazes to maximize my charitable giving?
* 02:23:20 - The Road to Mazedom, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 18th, 2020
* 02:38:00 - How Doomed are Large Organizations?, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 21st, 2020
* 02:39:17 - Are these dynamics the inevitable result of large organizations?
* 02:40:12 - How can we forestall these dynamics within an organization?
* 02:43:27 - The Goodhart Trap
* 02:46:13 - To what extent should we avoid creating large organizations?
* 02:50:33 - Has this dynamic ever been different in the past in other places and times?
* 02:55:50 - Ten Causes of Mazedom, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 25th, 2020
* 02:56:56 - Why was it different? Can we duplicate those causes?
* 02:57:52 - Cause 1: More Real Need For Large Organizations
* 02:59:45 - Cause 2: Laws and Regulations Favor Large Organizations
* 03:01:05 - Cause 3: Less Disruption of Existing Organizations
* 03:03:44 - Cause 4: Increased Demand for Illusion of Safety and Security
* 03:10:43 - How do these phenomena raise maze levels?
* 03:13:56 - Cause 5: Rent Seeking is More Widespread and Seen as Legitimate
* 03:14:41 - Cause 6: Big Data, Machine Learning and Internet Economics
* 03:17:26 - Cause 7: Ignorance
* 03:27:37 - Cause 8: Atomization and the Delegitimization of Human Social Needs
* 03:31:43 - Cause 9: Educational System
* 03:33:35 - Cause 10: Vicious Cycle
* 03:36:53 - More Mazes, More Problems
* 03:37:15 - Potential Ways to Fight Mazes, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 28th, 2020
* 03:39:37 - Solution 1: Knowledge
* 03:43:00 - Solution 2: Regulatory Reform
* 03:45:02 - Solution 3: End Corporate Welfare, Too Big to Fail and Implicit Subsidies
* 03:49:25 - Solution 4: Tort Reform
* 03:52:46 - Solution 5: Health Care Reform
* 03:55:46 - Solution 6: Demand Less Illusion of Safety and Security
* 03:58:11 - Solution 7: Change Consumer Behavior
* 04:01:59 - Solution 8: End Maze Legitimacy and High Status, and - or Raise Real Work Legitimacy and Status
* 04:04:18 - Solution 9: Forcibly Break Up Large Companies
* 04:10:24 - Last Idea
* 04:10:42 - Create a Full Alternative Stack, By Zvi Mowshowitz, January 31st, 2020
* 04:11:23 - Solution 10: Create a Full Alternative Stack
* 04:21:54 - Protecting Large Projects Against Mazedom, By Zvi Mowshowitz, February 3rd, 2020
* 04:23:22 - Solution 1: Do Less Things and Be Smaller
* 04:25:33 - Solution 2: Minimize Levels of Hierarchy
* 04:25:56 - Solution 3: Skin in the Game
* 04:26:29 - Solution 4: Soul in the Game
* 04:27:05 - Solution 5: Hire and Fire Carefully
* 04:27:31 - Solution 6: Promote, Reward and Evaluate Carefully
* 04:28:15 - Solution 7: Fight for Culture
* 04:28:38 - Solution 8: Avoid Other Mazes
* 04:29:03 - Solution 9: Start Again
* 04:29:43 - Mazes Sequence Roundup: Final Thoughts and Paths Forward, By Zvi Mowshowitz, February 6th, 2020
* 04:29:59 - Moloch’s Army
* 04:31:13 - Moloch’s Puzzle
* 04:33:32 - Good News, Everyone!
* 04:35:41 - Conclusion
* 04:36:49 - Paths Forward
* 04:54:43 - Acknowledgements
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