Garry casparof is a well ches champion, according to many te goat, the greatest player of all time. But he is also a keen political mind, somebody who was critical of he sovite union early on and later of donald trumps. We had really funny conversation for me about how a chess player came to be interested in and think about politics. And why he saw he warning signs both about pootin and about trump early on. i hope you enjoy this conversation as much as i did.