The idea to write the paper was to change how practitioners thought about productivity, and get rid of that those narrow definitions and narrow metrics. The process for this was quite different to other papers that I've written. It was probably some of the most fun that I've ever had writing a paper. We all cared about it. And I think, you know, Nicole, she's a great sense of humor with the other authors that are on the paper Tom Brian Chandra, Jenna.

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