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Rutger Bregman’s Humankind was my favourite book of 2020 and it comes out in paperback next month. A brilliant read (that also works wonderfully as an audiobook) it will appeal to fans of Yuval Noah Harari's Sapiens or anyone who wants a provocative, thoughtful summer read.

To mark the paperback release I spoke to him about universal basic income, the way that we've worked in lockdown, and why we turn our backs to lots of evidence that humans are innately kind, decent beings.

Rutger's brilliant book Humankind is out in paperback in May 2021. For a full transcript of this interview go to the website.

Rutger mentions he's written recently about the end of neoliberalism - you can read that here.

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