In donetsk, in the areas where you've been, are there still ucranian civilians there? Ah, yes. I believe that the estimate by independent aid organizations as well as local government was something in the neighborhood of 12 thousand civilians remaining in savera, denetsk. Lisechansk, which is the next major city that is being contested, originally had a population of about a hundred thousand people. And then obviously there are some who just don't want to leave their homes. They would rather die in their homes than become refugees and depend on the kindness of strangers.