i think that far too much emphasis has been put on derivability, because you can't derive the solidity of the table in front of me from the standard model particle physics. What what i'm interested in at the moment is i don't need to know about the standard model of particle physics to describe the behaviour of the table. There is an autonomous theory of it. So absolutely, i think biology is kind of, perhaps with that kind of d yo, can derive one from that starting to really break down well. But they're there, sort of like a deeper, trickier issue.

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