As fathers, what impact did your friendship have on your own children? Let me speak to that first. Clarence was coming to our house for bible study and things when our kids were little. And so it, it was a very positive impact on them to realize that we can have friends, you know, who are different from us. When i had my kids, he became the grandfather. He actually wrote a letter of dedication to my twins that's in the book. That's huge. We began to model them after what we saw garry and caroline doing, also my parents as well.

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