Today, we’re releasing Isaac’s interview with economist Noah Smith; it’s the third time Noah has sat down for an interview with Tangle, and it’s a fascinating conversation on the outlook for the U.S. debt and deficit in the wake of the One Big Beautiful Bill becoming law.

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