We have to come back together again at that level. People are really subsumed into getting into the big national debates, oftentimes in social media platforms where they're sort of anonymized and a lot less respectful. Once some one passes through that threshold of being heard and respected, even if they're disagreed with, they tend to be a much more constructive participant in that group. They ask more questions. They're less willing to support violence or nastiness against the other side,. r whatever it might be.

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