Empathy as an Asset and Constraint

How does one of the world’s largest pension funds shift its culture, governance, and investment process at scale? David Weisburd speaks with Nicole about her transition from Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan to serving as CIO of CalPERS, implementing a total portfolio approach, and leading organizational change during a period of market and operational disruption. Nicole shares lessons on governance, board alignment, co-investing, and building long-term investment institutions.

Highlights:

• Transitioning from Canadian pension governance to leading CalPERS
• Implementing a total portfolio mindset within a large, complex organization
• Why culture and governance matter more than asset allocation labels
• Breaking down silos across asset classes and investment teams
• Aligning incentives, compensation, and accountability
• Building trust and transparency with pension boards
• The role of co-investing in improving net returns
• Lessons from managing private markets at scale
• Moving from institutional allocator to founding a private credit firm

Guest Bio:

Nicole is the Founder and Managing Partner of Square9 Capital and previously served as Chief Investment Officer of CalPERS, where she oversaw one of the largest pension portfolios globally. Earlier in her career, she spent nearly two decades at Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan and also worked as a GP in private markets. Nicole has extensive experience across public and private investments, pension governance, and portfolio construction, with a career focused on long-term capital stewardship and mission-driven investing.

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(0:00) Introduction (1:19) Total portfolio approach and cultural changes at CalPERS (12:08) Building trust and governance at CalPERS (15:44) Co-investment strategies and GP partnerships (19:39) Energy transition, diversity, and structural alpha (23:25) Capital deployment challenges and credit strategies (24:45) Launching Square Nine Capital (29:45) Allocator and GP dynamics (32:26) Challenges of starting a new investment firm (37:24) Empathy in investment and leadership (40:33) Nicole Musicco's legacy and closing thoughts (42:20) Closing remarks