Well, definitely off the air. Can I ask you one very, very quick question just in case you know the answer to this? Because this has been bugging me ever since. So shortly after he became president, I went across with the then Prime Minister of Britain, Theresa May, and she met him at the White House. And there's this weird thing where they're walking together and suddenly grabs her hand. Yes,

I remember this. I was there. It looked white.

It was so weird. Do you have any idea what he was doing there? It was so odd. And nobody's ever been able to explain it to me. I do. And by the way,

you're going to be surprised when I'm sort of sympathetic to it. Okay, you ready? And maybe we're in overtime now. You won't include this in the podcast. We will include it. One of the things that happened to me in the White House is I had finished my press conference. I went from lower press back up to the Oval Office. Trump was in the Oval Office. He sat down with me. And if you look up on the ceiling in the O, in Plaster Paris, there's the presidential seal. And I looked at it. I said to him, Mr. President, when you're looking at that and you're sitting behind that desk, was it intimidating when you walked in here for the first time? You're now the president of the United States. And he said something very human and he said something very honest. We see him sometimes as a monster, but he is another one of our fellow human beings. He turned to me and said, you know, I was incredibly intimidated. And he said, I sat here. I looked up at that seal that you're referencing. I said, oh my God, I'm the president of the United States. And then there was a phone call on the phone. I picked up the phone. It was the White House operations person in protocol. They said, Mr. President, Theresa May, the prime minister of the UK is your first state encounter. And you're going to meet her at the North Portico and you're going to greet her and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he literally said, and he used expletives. He hung up the phone. He says, oh my God, I have absolutely no idea how to do this. And that's exactly what he said. And so I am sympathetic to him because when he was with her, you could see him personally fumbling and he lurched over to her hand and he didn't do it intentionally. It wasn't a malevolent lurching thing as it probably was perceived here in the United Kingdom. It was, I'm a newbie on the job and I don't know what the hell I'm doing. So

like he wanted to hold his mom's hand. Was it something like that? Like a kind of, oh.

Yeah, a little bit. Like a little bit of an insecurity thing. And now you probably don't see it that way, but I'm telling you that's how he explained

it to me. Fascinating. So hopefully

that's

helpful to you. It is incredibly helpful as has this whole conversation has been gripping. So thank you so much. Great to be on with you guys.

Yeah, thank you. And that's

it for us. Goodbye. Bye-bye.