What Year Did You Train With Shenzhen?

Shenzhen had done some facilitator training in the past but it was clear that that was not a strong area of interest for him. So there were things in motion and he had actually some great materials on being a teacher. But I suppose that I have a unique experience because in addition to training with him I trained in Rinzai Zen for gosh it's been about 23 years now. One of his core ways of speaking about the absolute, we want to call it that, is to reference something called expansion contraction. Which is core to this one particular Rinzai teacher Sasaki Rishi. We both trained with him extensively. And that equipped me to be a clear translator and ensure that