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451: I've Come Around to Reality

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The Senior Vice President, I Don't Know How Many 60, 70 People Report to Me

"I hated that job. It was it was a miserable job," he says of his time as senior vice president at Apple. "As an editor, as a content person, well, that's a different world, right? Like it's just a totally different world." He adds: "That's the that's business, right?"

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