The Importance of Listening to the Experts

There's so many details of their story. Did it get to the point where you're just like, "What WTF?" I think there was this infatuation that both of them legitimately had with birch told. And then it was the guilt that they carried with them because of those affair. So all of these things are kind of circling around their heads. They're not thinking about their three little girls. Essentially, Karen and Susan were, I don't want to say ignored, but they were so on the periphery at that point.