This interview was recorded in February 2022, and released in April 2022.

But on November 11 2022, Sam Bankman-Fried's company, FTX, filed for bankruptcy, and all staff at the Future Fund resigned — and the surrounding events led Rob to record a new intro on December 1st 2022 for this episode.

• Read 80,000 Hours' statement on these events here.

• You can also listen to host Rob’s reaction to the collapse of FTX on this podcast feed, above episode 140, or here.

• Rob has shared some clarifications on his views about diminishing returns and risk aversion, and weaknesses in how it was discussed in this episode, here.

• And you can read the original blog post associated with the episode here.