Apple's Reported $1B Deal to Power Siri with Gemini

Brian and Andy explain reports that Apple will license Google's large Gemini model for Siri and discuss implications for Apple Intelligence.

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Brian returned to host alongside Beth and Andy for a wide-ranging discussion on AI news, mobility innovations, and the future of search optimization in an AI-driven world. They started with lighter stories like Kim Kardashian blaming ChatGPT for her law exam prep, moved into Toyota’s AI-powered mobility chair, explored Tinder’s new photo-based matching algorithm, and closed with a deep dive into Generative Engine Optimization (GEO) — the evolving science of how to make content visible in AI search results.

Key Points Discussed

Kim Kardashian’s ChatGPT Comments – She said the model gave her wrong answers while studying for the bar exam, highlighting public overreliance on AI for specialized knowledge.

Toyota’s “Walk Me” Mobility Chair – A four-legged robotic wheelchair designed to navigate stairs and rough terrain using AI-controlled actuators. The hosts debated its design and accessibility implications.

AI Dating Experiment – Tinder announced plans to let its AI scan users’ photo libraries to “understand them better,” sparking privacy and data-use concerns.

AI-Driven Ads and Data Ethics – Facebook’s personalized ad practices resurfaced in court documents, raising questions about whether fines outweigh profits from misleading ads.

Apple’s Billion-Dollar Deal with Google – Apple is reportedly paying $1B annually to use Google’s Gemini model for Siri, aiming for a smarter “Apple Intelligence” rollout by spring.

Perplexity’s $400M Partnership with Snap – Designed to bring AI-powered search to Snap’s billion-plus user base.

AI Bubble Debate – The team discussed OpenAI’s $100B revenue forecast and Anthropic’s profitability path, noting the contrast between consumer and enterprise strategies.

Waymo Expands Robotaxis – Launching services in Las Vegas, San Diego, and Detroit using new Zeekr-built electric vehicles.

Toyota “Mobi” for Kids – An autonomous bubble-shaped pod for transporting children safely to school, part of Toyota’s “Mobility for All” initiative.

Generative Engine Optimization (GEO) – The main segment unpacked Nate Jones’ breakdown of Princeton’s GEO paper, exploring how AI engines select and credit web content differently than traditional SEO.

Key takeaways:

AI may prefer smaller or newer sources over dominant sites.

Short, clear sentences (~18 tokens) are more likely to be quoted.

Evergreen posts lose ranking faster; fresh micro-updates matter more.

Simplicity and clean structure (H1/H2/Markdown) improve findability.

Smaller creators can win early by optimizing for AI-first platforms.

Timestamps & Topics

00:00:00 💡 Intro and Kim Kardashian’s ChatGPT comment

00:03:14 🤖 Toyota’s “Walk Me” AI mobility chair

00:09:47 📱 Tinder photo-based AI matchmaking

00:17:58 💬 Data ethics and Facebook ad lawsuit

00:19:40 ☁️ Apple’s $1B Google Gemini deal for Siri