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Is There a Growth CMO?
The assumption is every software company should be hiring a CMO that is of this sort of a growth CMO right. And I would say that like my sense is that there's very few marketing leaders that can't be a growth C MO. It's the operating aspect of those insights and skills and understanding your customer and their psychology, all of those things have stayed the same. But it's the operating of it in the way a growth like organization like a product driven growth organization operates is very fundamentally different than the way a traditional marketing run organization had run.