The opening line of the dowdi jing is, the too that can be named is not the true too. The true too is universal thought. We are all part of it. That's us. I mean, everything you're talking about, whether it's the universal thought, the universal christ, his concept of oneness, i mean, it was there with the pri socratics. Even before plato, these presocratics, like pythagoras, harmenides, empedocles,. They were representing this very ionian tradition. And i'll tie this to the science too, because karl segan, who i know you know, was also obsessed