This is design matters with debby millman. On this episode, debby talks with ric case herway about his podcast and t v show, song exploder. This episode was recorded at the end of 20 20 and originally came out at beginning of 20 21. A good song tells a story. And behind every good song, there's another story of how that song was born. That is the subject matter of songexploder. Every episode explores a single song and goes deep with its creators,. unware thy where it came from and how they turned that idea into the song we know and love. First it was a podcast, and now it's also a series on netloks