I think especially in earlier generations, I don't know if this is fair to her parents and parents parents, but emotion was often repressed to help lead the surface. My Mexican grandfather only went to fourth grade, asked him why he had to quit. He said, well, when my father was murdered, your, my brother and I had to become cowboys. And so I look at this thing and that's why I have never believed what I was taught at Stanford and Harvard, that poetry was an elite, intellectual form of language. You can do anything you want in poetry, but the bulk of great poems have been works that are pretty accessible to any alert, intelligent person.

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