How to Identify Unmet Needs for Treating Diseases That Don't Exist

The early stages of the pediatric device life cycle which is really concept to prototype. We have approximately 10 projects with Texan Ms chosen every year we have two at Rice every year and so I think that's at least one way for an evaluation process to say this is an unmet need that's identified by a key opinion leader like a surgeon or a pediatric clinician. And then hence also take it to the engineering analysis and see can is something that can be done within this program to start building solution. So let's go back to the front end of that because I find that that that is the most difficult It's coming up with what exactly the need is, how do you train your clinicians