Marty Mayer: My whole world has always been products. I've never actually been interested in custom software solutions. So that's the difference. That's just my interest is in commercial products, building real products. And so that's what inspired was to share the techniques of good product teams. Those are hard topics for 10 minutes on a whiteboard. But they're fun when you talk about what a good engineering leader does or what a good design leader does. It's all things we find at good companies. All I'm really doing is sharing that, look, all the good companies seem to do this.

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