Stan: What are the steps that humanity takes to avoid a mass extinction event? I want to take our listeners to sort of decompose the hyper object. In we use that phrase, it comes from the philosopher timothy morton who talked about climate change and many other massive scale global problems as hyper objects. And what's said about your book is that you take the present more seriously than we do. That was definitly my experience of it. So stand maybe, just totake our listeners, am, your book is titled ministry for the future. Well, it is an invention of my book. But what i've discovered is that there are many people on this planet who feel

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