Natasha: I was hoping that people were a sort of packing b f skinners, like behaviorist manual in the side pocket of their office desks. And they weren't. So i think what we have to understand here, which helps us with the ethical argument maybe, is that this is a giant sort of laboratory situation where you've got this key press data flowing off the casino floor or off the market and into all these companies m who can do massive a b testing kind of things.

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