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90 - A Good Man Is Hard To Find (with Kirsty Webeck and Matt Stewart)

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Reflections on Characters and Themes

In this chapter, the speakers reflect on the characters in the story, particularly the absence of good men except for one character named Pisting. They also discuss the themes of grace, forgiveness, and redemption, especially in relation to the grandmother's actions towards the misfit.

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Speaker 2
Yeah. And then after the first one or first half, we're dragging her around. What's happening there?
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's very impractical. Yeah, come on.
Speaker 2
I mean, are we talking about her being shot every minute of her life up until the last thing she's led? So every minute of her life, I guess they're just saying, just kill her once. That's what he's done. Yeah. Weird, this misfit guy.
Speaker 1
This misfit, you know. The MIMIT! Gulch. His friends call him MIMIT. So there's a pretty grim story I told. It's extremely grim. I came into this studio having had a lovely day, happy to most of it. I'm trying out. Now I've never been more upset in my life. Well, don't worry, because the final line comes after this, is the final line. Bobby Lee says, some fun. And the misfit says, shut up, Bobby Lee. It's no real pleasure in life. That's the end of the story.
Speaker 2
Yeah, right. There it is.
Speaker 1
A good man is hard to find. Would you agree? I'm
Speaker 2
always fergal. Fergal sharky. Good heart, it's hard to find.
Speaker 1
I mean, that story has absolutely demonstrated that a good man is hard to find. I don't think it was a good man in that book.
Speaker 2
There were. Yeah, no one came out of it seeming too good. No, like, Bailey was gormless. John was a petulant menace who was going to grow up to be a misfit himself.
Speaker 1
Misfit Sarked. Had two mates who Sarked. I think there's only one good character. And that was Pisting. Pisting? Yeah, Pisting. Did cause the accident. What about Red Sammy? Red Sammy. I can't say a bad word about Red Sammy. Red Sammy and Red Sammy is off. Yeah, you're right. Come on down to Red Sammy's. The big man with the red hair or whatever it was. Yeah, everything's great at Red Sammy's. Don't ask any questions. Sit down and eat the delicious food at Red Sammy's. Oh, okay. Red Sammy's hiding something. You're right. I don't know. But we've just inferred that. It wasn't actually. So I'd like to hold on to the fact that Red Sammy might be. Yeah, everyone else has demonstrated that they're definitely not good. Yeah, absolutely. But Red Sammy, the best broken town. You heard it here first off Red Sammy himself. Best bloke. Come and eat it. Red Sammy. Nothing to see here. Don't even worry about it. I'm Red Sammy. I'm the best bloke. Did you enjoy reading this, Dave? How short was it by the way? I think about two questions. Maybe 20 pages or so. Too many. And sorry, no. So the story is... The story is... The story is this awful
Speaker 2
family goes on a road trip, go on a detour for a thing that wasn't really there, and then get murdered. Yeah.
Speaker 1
But it's about the journey along the way. See, I liked Matt's retelling because that was a genuinely short story. It doesn't get much shorter. It was a journey along the way. So... Yeah. Also, I think it was a major plot flaw in having pity sing like the granny launch, pity sing at Bailey, and then create this terrible train of events that led to their murder. Like the Gulch. I just... I'm faunnid to get to the one time. But you mentioned that. You thought that pity sing might be the only survivor of the family. They never mentioned what happened to pity sing. Also, did we know what gender pity sing?
Speaker 2
What's six? I don't pity sing. Because pity sing was pregnant. Maybe as the years went by, her descendants ended up in the alt ways. And that too.
Speaker 1
Because they saw. Anyway, tune into my podcast. You'll never believe this, but... The criminal was like, let this cat go, fend for itself, and over the generations has become... Well, I... That's it. I wanted pity sing to be a bloke. Because then maybe it's the only good man in the story. Oh, it could be. It absolutely could be. Yeah. Good man, it's hard to find it. But a good cat. Yeah, good cat man. They're everywhere. Yeah, everywhere. Everywhere. Pity sing. Oh yeah. Now, a lot of being interpreted and written about the Catholic mania play here, because she was a very Catholic... Woman, very Catholic writer, Flannery O'Connor. And especially people who talked about grace and forgiveness being a real theme here. The grandmother appears to be willing to give the misfit at the end. A bit of forgiveness when she says, you're one of my own children. But it's also likely that she's just trying to save her own life or understandably just panicking. Or I thought maybe the recognising her son's shirt finally being like, hang on, is it about my son's shirt that she reaches out for? But some say that she believes in redemption, but the misfit clearly does not, even if he's sure of Christ is real. And the final line about being a good woman, if someone was there to shoot her every day, it's only when she's at the end of her life, with a gun in her face, that she's just turning back to God and stopping like, we're going to pray now, we're going to pray. Which a bit a lot of people do that at the end of their life. You're going down on a plane and you're like, oh, time to open up a channel with the big man just in case. That's all you've got to do as well.
Speaker 2
Just got asked for forgiveness, a minute, and then everything's forgiven, isn't it?
Speaker 1
I don't know, mate. You're the one sitting here looking like Jesus. That's...
Speaker 2
I don't know if that's just Catholicism. Yeah, that's...
Speaker 1
It is, it is, because that's... Oh yeah, I was raised to Catholic until I was 12. That was my hard cut off line. But yeah, we used to go to confessional time. We just say all the screwed up things that you've done since your previous confession. It was a fresh start. And it was a fresh start. So then you could just go and wreak havoc on the neighborhood again. But well, I've got a clean slate on our eyes. I'm going to smash some windows and take some theory. Stuffing hands, yeah, we're dusting off. Yeah! Ready to go. You're ready to go. My conscience is clear.
Speaker 2
Just like you've deleted a bunch of emails. You're like, look, I've got a clean inbox. I can fill this up with junk again. Exactly. So I'm trying to put it into terms of that. Listen, I'm
Speaker 1
just... Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're in the digital age. The model parlance. They weren't understanding. They weren't going to confession in a church, but they get how inbox as well. We've all got an inbox. Some are larger than ours. But we accept everyone's inbox. What do you think of this? Well, I was looking into the meaning of it, because I'm like, it's a very famous, quite an influential short story. So I'm looking on a few reviews of it, and a few study guides, study.com writes, the moral lesson of a good man is hard to find, is that actions have consequences. The grandmother lies to her family continuously, and unknowingly leads them into the path of the misfit. Her selfishness in wanting to see the plantation at the end leads to their senseless deaths. But I'm like, that seems a bit brutal. Hmm. It wasn't intentionally lying. She just sort of made a mistake about whether... ...Mansion is located, had a bit of a panic, accidentally set off this chain of events. I don't feel like she deserved to be horribly murdered in a gulch. Yeah, not in the gulch. What do you think? The gulch was a bridge to far. I feel that feels a bit much. Um... Yeah. I don't know, but also... Grandma wasn't a nice person. No. Not a nice person. Yeah. No, I mean, I'm not saying that she deserved to die. No, but... And you're absolutely right. When one of you pointed out, I can't remember who said it like that. She never makes any case for her family. Yeah. You'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa! Yeah. Protect them or anything. She does very much. I think she... I read between the lines that she actually used
Speaker 2
June and John as a human shield. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no,
Speaker 1
no. Yeah. Can you just stand
Speaker 2
here? Yeah. Can you stand here? Yeah, come closer to the... But I thought she ran out of human shields as they took them down one by one. Like, oh... Guess I'll have to be my own one now. Yeah.
Speaker 1
Guess I'll have to try and pray here. Oh, no, grandma, you got it all wrong. So, yeah, pretty grim story. I liked the scene when the misfits sort of like calmly but very menacingly talking about how, oh, no, I ain't no good person. Like, I can see that in my mind in like a movie or something. Yeah, I can say that. Very intense. Because you know something bad's going to happen. Yeah. Like the calm psychopath in a movie. Yeah, the calmer they are, the more terrifying. Yeah, you're like, oh, wow. Something bad's going to happen here. Yeah. And it did. And it did. It did. Who were your favourite characters just quickly? I'd say Pity Singh. Yeah.
Speaker 2
Yeah, Pity Singh.
Speaker 1
Yeah, I would say
Speaker 2
the Gulch. The Gulch. Yeah, no good point. I'd say probably Georgia, the hills.
Speaker 1
Well, why go to the hills when Tennessee has the mountains? Oh, true. But we're already here at the hills. Yeah, it may as well. May as well. So, we always end the episode by giving it a score out of five as you've heard it here today. Whether you liked it, loved it, or it was nothing to you. How do you feel about a good man is hard to find Kirsty? I give it a four. I give it a four, solid four? Yeah, good. Good. I was interested. You know. That's the thing. I found it interesting because I'm thinking, where is this going? And by the end you go, okay, it went a really grim place, but the whole time you're thinking, what's happening here? Yeah. And at least it went somewhere. Like it wasn't, you know, it just, it didn't just like Peter out. Peter out. And then Pity Singh out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it built to a crescendo. Absolutely. I respect that, but I was interested. I think also your chipper approach to it did some heavy lifting day. That's right. But yeah, definitely. I reckon a four. I wasn't like, oh my God, I can't believe I'm on this episode. Wow. So I think Matt maybe was a bit more like that, a bit grim for you. I was sensing. No, it was just, I was a bit dull, I think.
Speaker 2
But okay. And then yeah, just sort of it, what was going to happen happened. There was no, I mean, I've been spoiled by M Night Shyamalan, probably. Oh, you wanted a real twist.
Speaker 1
The, I don't think I've ever seen one of his movies, but. I miss it pulls off their face and it's read Samuel along. Yeah. You've been spoiled by the idea of M Night Shyamalan. Like I've never seen anything that he's done, but I'm aware of him. And that's
Speaker 2
really, I've heard about the success. But yeah, no, it was, it was fun, but yeah, I didn't, I didn't. Didn't really have enjoyed all that much, but yeah, like a 2.8.
Speaker 1
A 2.8, very specific. Okay. I respect it. I
Speaker 2
was going to say two and a half, but that's 50%. It seems like it's better than that. 2.8, so funny. Three foul, two generous. I want to know how they lost the 2.2 point.
Speaker 1
What a fall from Grace. I, I'm not sure I was getting it on the Catholic level. Don't know about you guys. Yeah, no. But as, like I said, I was the Miss Fitz sinisterly spoke to the grandma. I was, I was gripped. So I'm going to give it a four out of five. That took a four out of five. Great. I enjoyed it. And I've been wanting to do Flannery O'Connor on the show for a while. There's a couple of novels, but like this is the most, one of my most famous stories. And yeah. She
Speaker 2
coined a phrase anyway, the very least.
Speaker 1
And yeah, and I promised you something grotesque, macabre or fantastical.
Speaker 2
And, well, the third one maybe you can't get there, but yeah.
Speaker 1
You delivered mostly and it's got 10.8 points out of 15. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That's pretty good score. I reckon it's pretty good. Yeah.

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