The Low Points

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Lake: "We had a bunch of moments like that where we sort of thought something was going to come through, and then it just didn't" One guy died right before we could interview him. We'd been talking to him for months. He's like, your dream. The stuff he's saying is a dream. And then they tried to meet up with him and it didn't work out. Then i'm just paranoid about never having enough reporting. But as it turned out, like we had gottn more than i thought,. I think the producers were a little more aware of, like, we've got good stuff.

Evan Ratliff, a co-host of the Longform Podcast, is host of the new podcast Persona: The French Deception.

“One of these big scams is like a story. And in the story, what they're doing is they're manipulating you to be a participant in the story, and they're getting you so hooked that you will not just do anything they say, but you will invest yourself in bringing the story to its conclusion. And like, isn't that what you're doing if you're trying to get someone to listen to eight episodes, spend that much of their life listening to your voice? … The idea that every story has this person pulling the strings... I like revisiting that in everything that I do."

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