SI246: The BIG CTA ETF Debate ft. Andrew Beer & Tim Pickering
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The Path Dependency of Hedge Funds
The average drawdown of the members of the Sockgen CT index is in the 20s. Andrew got this big lag. If that's not single manager risk, I don't know what is. We are hoping to be a lot closer to 14 over time.
Today, we are joined by Andrew Beer and Tim Pickering for a heated debate on some of the most important changes that we are seeing in the CTA industry. We discuss how ETFs can be used in the CTA industry and the pros and cons of using indices to represent manager performance, why Tim and Andrew are fundamentally different in how they approach the way retail investors can access CTA strategies and how they disagree on the definition of "pure alpha", the use of replication strategies and much more.
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Episode TimeStamps:
00:50 - The macro perspective
03:56 - Industry performance update
06:17 - First CTA to launch a ETF
09:57 - The managed futures index - what and why?
17:40 - Tim's experience with indices
20:15 - Building an asset allocation bucket
22:36 - A discussion on alpha
30:58 - Getting exposure to CTA return streams
37:10 - Why Tim would avoid replication strategies
44:18 - The biggest positions drive performance?
51:45 - Are ETFs reliable?
55:47 - Getting the timing right
01:00:49 - A terrible product?
01:04:26 - Why did Tim's US ETF fail?
01:08:07 - What is alpha?
01:11:00 - Are lower fees better for investors?
01:12:14 - Getting the correlation right
01:13:21 - Question from Oliver
01:15:59 - Teasing the next debate
01:22:38 - Thanks for listening
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