In which Peter and Jesse are joined by information architect and author Abby Covert, who shares her story of moving from independent consultant, to Etsy's staff information architect, to product manager, and then independent writer and teacher. She shares what she learned along the way about burnout and work-life balance, and gives us a peek at her forthcoming book on the power of diagrams as tools for thinking.

Find more about Abby at http://abbycovert.com, and read "I Choose Me," the post that inspired this episode.

Learn more about Jesse's coaching practice at http://jessejamesgarrett.com/

Peter occasionally writes about design orgs and leadership at http://petermerholz.com/