How Do You Know When Sham Is Bad?

Shame is one of those things it's like I think shame gets a bad rap frankly I've written papers called in defensive shame there's so many people that I know who actually could benefit from a little bit of it. But by the same token if you're overwhelmed with it if it's heavy if it's crippling you and keeping you from getting off the bathroom floor right then of course then it's a bad thing yeah last question how do you know when shame's bad? "I would love to see what can happen in that space"