This Is Not America

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The majority of black Americans can trace the ancestry to enslaved Africans that were transported to the new world between the 17th and the 19th centuries. The overwhelming majority, as of today, of black British people are either immigrants from Africa or the children of immigrants in Africa. So rather than looking at the black British population as a singular group,. what I tried to emphasize in my book is the diversity of that label itself.

Tomiwa Owolade is a writer and author of the forthcoming book This is Not America: Why Black Lives in Britain Matter.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Tomiwa Owolade discuss how some popular forms of anti-racist thinking can obscure which groups are struggling most; how Labour MP Diane Abbott’s response to an article of Owolade’s in The Guardian led to the Labour MP’s formal censure by her party; and what Americans can learn from Britain on issues of race (and Britons from America).

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