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i used to say to a former client, who led a very large organization, when he and i would talk about what this work is. He always said he had the bread for the sandwich. That's not that's the why and the what. There's no how in this sandwich. You just got bread brod. And at the end of the day, if you want to have an outcome that you're that you're happy with, that ou're proud of, and an experience that you are happy with and and enjoy, it's human system's work. It's sociotechnical work. The stuff that we don't like to do, because it has time,
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