John Macke, the cof hofod who's been on the show. He really lives it, and he's super healthy, but he works out a lot of me. When i got into bike racing, and i lived in braa, california and orange county, I met this guy named phil granatia,. And he was quite a bit older than me, superfit. So he switched to cycling in our doing stairs. It kind of developed his cardio vascular by cycling in our did stairs. In the first five minutes, he realized, oh, i'm not actually healthy at all, at least cardio vascala. I have no cardio at all. Right

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