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0:00 - Intro Tease 3:32 - Setting the Stage: Ruslan & Nathan’s Backgrounds5:04 - Nathan’s Backstory: Church Anger to Fatherhood Perspective8:21 - How Shawn Ryan Podcast Led to This Debate9:23 - Ruslan’s Defense of the Local Church’s Role in His Life12:00 - Why Pastors Are Easy Targets & Stereotypes Around Them15:14 - Are We Overgeneralizing Pastors? Comparing to 90s Dads17:42 - What Makes a Healthy Church? Ruslan’s Framework20:02 - IRS Structures vs. Biblical Church Models22:36 - Are Legal Structures Like Marriage & Churches a Problem?24:04 - Do All Institutions Eventually Corrupt? Reform vs. Abandon25:52 - Nathan’s Push for Transparency: The Ed Young Example28:14 - Ruslan Responds: Rhythm Church’s Annual Report Breakdown30:34 - Why Churches Are Exempt from Filing 990s33:03 - The Tension Between Accountability & Transparency35:48 - Ruslan Explains Rhythm Church’s Financial Oversight38:59 - Why Full Transparency Isn’t Always Healthy41:09 - Debating the Average Pastor Salary & Bi-Vocational Realities44:31 - Different Church Models: Transparency by Design vs. Requirement46:08 - Home Churches, Mega Churches, and Real-Life Church Options49:45 - Ruslan: Maturity, Unity & Why Transparency Requires Wisdom52:48 - Legal Structures vs. Moral Imperatives for Transparency58:04 - Churches Investing in War Profits? Nathan's Coming Exposés1:00:04 - Why Churches Don't File 990s:1:06:00 - Weaponizing Financial Transparency & When Disclosure Goes Wrong1:12:00 - Is the Church Corrupt or Is the System Misunderstood?1:14:30 - Comparing Marriage & Church Corporations: A Legal Paradox1:17:00 - What Is “Full” Financial Transparency? 1:20:00 - Can a Church Be Both Spiritual & a Legal Entity?1:23:00 - Why Some Church Salaries Aren’t Public Knowledge1:26:00 - The Congregational Church Alternative1:29:00 - Should the Government Oversee Churches to Prevent Abuse?1:32:00 - Biblical Tithing as a Principle vs. Legal Requirement1:34:00 - Does 1 Corinthians 9 Justify Paying Pastors? Ruslan’s Scriptural Argument1:39:00 - Modern Pastors as Levitical Priests? Breaking Down a Common Analogy1:42:00 - What Ruslan’s Pastor Actually Said vs. Nathan’s Interpretation1:49:00 - Ruslan’s Journey: From Calling Out Pastors to Supporting Healthy Churches1:52:00 - What the Didache & Early Church Taught About Supporting Leaders1:58:00 - 1 Timothy 5: How Churches Should Support Widows—And Why It Matters2:00:04 - Biblical Qualifications for Financial Support2:08:00 - Jesus vs. Paul: Who Has Final Authority?2:16:00 - IRS Church Criteria vs. Biblical Model2:25:00 - Ekklesia or Corporation? Defining “Church” Today2:34:00 - Tithing, Salaries & the Transparency Spectrum2:45:00 - Are All Institutions Eventually Corrupt?2:55:00 - The $92 Billion Church Fraud Claim Disputed3:05:00 - Is Paul’s Writing Equal to Jesus' Words?3:15:00 - Public vs. Internal Accountability in Churches3:25:00 - Stanford Study: Do Churches Grow People Spiritually?3:33:00 - Final Clash: Systems, Reform & Respectful Disagreement

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