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Starlee Kine

Design Matters with Debbie Millman

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The Importance of Listening to Breakup Songs

I think people really like, you know, love stories. They love breakup songs. I think Phil Collins is incredible in it. And there's something for everyone,. Like, even if you've never been in a relationship, if you like Phil Collins, he does not disappoint. He wrote back to me because he said he did not know what this American life was. One of my favorite things about it is that he was not trying too hard either. It's a very authentic story in that way. The thing about that story was I wasn't trying to do the most popular This American Life story. I hadn't conceived of that story as this American life story to begin with. A gimmick

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