I love this idea of the defiant person who's not supposed to count who counts an awful lot. How much autobiography is embedded in your work? You know, I was struck by the father that dies of tuberculosis in Pachinko. And I know that your dad had tuberculosis. Well, I think that the literal biography probably wouldn't track. But I have put it in every one of my characters, especially after I decided somewhere before I published free food that I would be judged. So all of my desires that I was ashamed to have, all of the sad feelings, all of my discouraged moments,. My wishes for greatness, my wishes for death, all of it. It's in

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