Mendez: We're at such an unsettled and unsettling moment because we now have the language to name the problem. He says justice movements have the best insights into justice, but there isn't a new paradigm yet. Mendez: I think as many things we agree with, it's always more interesting to focus on the things we disagree on. The idea of sitting around the table together and getting along and listening to each other and debating these ideas is already naive.

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