The Importance of Disclosed Victims

"I think there's a line that, okay, things need to be disclosed with some degree of discretion," she says. "It almost like Carl scandal makes us all look bad." She doesn't feel led by the Hillsong singer and has never read his books or visited his new church where he is now. 'My thing for me is me watching these videos and even listening to the podcast comes from just voyeurism'